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    Admin abuse - Rattlesnake

    Hello and to whoever runs the admins.

    I am a longtime player at saigns and donator. I would like to express my frustration with admin Rattlesnake.
    Today on dm Office unlimited Rattlesnake joined into the game and gave me a verbal warning to stop spamming the chat.

    Let me be clear about what events happened. I was playing the game and a player I won't name joined. I don't know him but he started to hunt me (it happens). I proceed to run around to avoid being killed and in turn kill him many times. He keeps coming so I tell him to sit down or shhh as it's clear he keeps coming.

    This guy is following me everywhere including Terrorist spawn and around in circles. Now every day I put up with people calling me a cheater and a noob for being a donator and I pay to kill bots. There are some players who will join the game to say this kind of stuff to me and leave the game. Never anyone comes to my defence and frankly, this is what an admin should be looking at.

    All I did was tell a guy to basically settle down. No curses words or insults.

    I responded to rattlesnake by saying it's admin abuse for warning me to stop as I did nothing wrong. He replies he will gag me if I don't stop and obey his command. I have observed Rattlesnake use the heavy hand many times against other players for no cause over the years and I have never filed a complaint before as I know admins are working for free and might not know all the facts.

    But in this case, I've been pushed over the edge as I was playing a simple game and was forced to leave because an admin decided to abuse his power and bully me. Yes, I felt targeted by the player (it's game things so I deal with it) and then bullied by Rattlesnake. I feel he needs to be de-ranked as he shows poor judgement and lacks nuance when handling people...especially when they are not doing anything crazy.

    I was going by the in game name: Maverick

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    I don't know the reason why my colleague joined the server, I don't think that's the point.
    however, what i can see is the chat spam that came from you, which the rules don't allow. Regarding this spam, you were only reprimanded verbally, nothing more.
    There is absolutely no question of admin abuse.

    And if you often have problems with the types you described, then it's up to you to report this to us. We cannot be present everywhere all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ch3misTrY View Post
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    however, what i can see is the chat spam that came from you, which the rules don't allow. Regarding this spam, you were only reprimanded verbally, nothing more.
    There is absolutely no question of admin abuse.
    Hello ch3misTrY. Thank you for responding to me. However, I do believe the events which happen are not spam and there is a fundamental misunderstanding.

    To me, spam is when someone sits in a corner typing endless messages and not playing. or maybe even repeatedly using the comms like "stick together team" 10 times in a row without a pause.

    This is not what happened and if you look at the logs and at the times you will see this is not the case. Spam would be one second after another.

    The fact is I would kill the player, say "sit down" or "shhh", he will respawn and then come to me again and the process will repeat itself. With the exception of GG at the end of the round in 12 minutes, I killed him 15 times and made chat this amount of times.

    This is not even close to being spam where people say stuff every second consecutively. I also want to point out I was not even in his spawn hosing him down with a machinegun like some people and not letting the guy out.

    Often I would be killing some other enemy and he's shooting me in the back and I turn and kill him. He got me 2 times! and I didn't say anything to him...only when I got him.

    For this reason, it was admin abuse because I didn't break any spam rules as Rattlesnake stated. In fact, this is no different from the admin Bl@de who says to players when he gets killed "ohhh lucker". It's just normal stuff said in the game.

    I hope this clarifies the actual events.

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    Well, for you it's not spam, for us it is. And that alone endorses the fact that Rattlesnake warned you.
    So you can twist and turn it as you like, an admin abuse has not taken place here in any way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Diabolicus View Post
    The fact is I would kill the player, say "sit down" or "shhh", he will respawn and then come to me again and the process will repeat itself. With the exception of GG at the end of the round in 12 minutes, I killed him 15 times and made chat this amount of times.
    This part, which you yourself and voluntarily admit here, is even worse than ordinary chat spam.
    This is provocative and quite outrageous behavior towards others. According to the rules, this is also undesirable and carries higher penalties than spamming.
    You can even count yourself lucky that your colleague did not intervene further here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ch3misTrY View Post
    Well, for you it's not spam, for us it is. And that alone endorses the fact that Rattlesnake warned you.
    So you can twist and turn it as you like, an admin abuse has not taken place here in any way.




    This part, which you yourself and voluntarily admit here, is even worse than ordinary chat spam.
    This is provocative and quite outrageous behavior towards others. According to the rules, this is also undesirable and carries higher penalties than spamming.
    You can even count yourself lucky that your colleague did not intervene further here.
    With all due respect I have been playing here for years and the fact is the admins have stated to me things like this are ok.
    For example.. saying to people EZ and Noob after one is killed was perfectly acceptable. As I already pointed out admin Bl@de has been playing as long as I have and he's always told people when he dies "oooh lucker". I guess nothing will happen with this? The hypocrisy!

    I want insurance that if I complain about people doing such things to me it will be handled accordingly and not ignored or explained away like it was in the past to me but how you explain it here. If "shhh" and "sitdown" are terrible then I expect noob and EZ etc are too.

    Other rules saigns are fuzzy on...porn. check your bots avatars I've seen breast.

    I might be lucky from your point of view but I see it the other way. With wishy-washy adminning it's impossible to know what is right or not when admins let things happen all the time that should not be.

    Other examples. Rattlesnake was asked if flash bangs and smoke grenades were allowed in DM Italy. He said it was fine despite it not being able to be bought in the buy menu. Other people use a loophole with buying scripts to buy these restricted grenades.
    And yet other admins tell me it is not allowed. Can you please also ensure a rule one way or the other and make it consistent.

    Furthermore, I have sent an email to an admin regarding a player using aimbot. They said it wasn't. The player in question kept dying and left the server. came back on and was clearly killing me from across the map. I switched to a zombie with 500HP and the player in question was able to kill me from across the map. Anyone who has played with zombie or against it knows this is 100% impossible to do in 5 seconds or less from across the map full-out machine gun. Yet the video wasn't enough for that admin.

    I thank you for your responses thus far and look for some more to the points I have raised. I sincerely hope other people and admins are held to the level I was that day.
    take care

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    The topic ends at this point.
    The accusation made is unfounded and therefore unjustified.

    Since all the other "denounced" things were not part of the actual issue, they will not be discussed further here. Even more so, where they are probably much longer back and no evidence can be presented. If these "incidents" ever existed.
    I have legitimate doubts about that.

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